Conversation with #dkap_amber
Conversation with #dkap_amber on Thu 04 Nov 2010 09:41:20 AM EDT:
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(08:35:20 PM) Mistress_Janice: Ack! Change the subject!
(08:35:20 PM) Spot: aha?
(08:35:38 PM) dkap: From what?
(08:35:44 PM) dkap: I finally got the patches to work.
(08:35:45 PM) dkap: Bleah.
(08:35:52 PM) dkap: Being sick means I make stupid mistakes.
(08:37:30 PM) Mistress_Janice: We'd finished dinner, and were debating the relative timing of the vampire rebellion vs. whatever's coming obscured over the water.
(08:38:27 PM) Cagliostro: indeed.
(08:38:29 PM) dkap: Indeed.
(08:38:29 PM) Spot: we'd agreed the rebellion was more important
(08:38:44 PM) dkap: And the Rebellion Decision was ... what exactly?
(08:38:46 PM) Cagliostro: but we were short on ways to safely warehouse rebellious vampires.
(08:38:51 PM) dkap: And why does my tongue feel fuzzy?
(08:39:19 PM) Mistress_Janice: Kill 'em all, let Norton sort 'em out. And your tongue feels fuzzy because you've been licking Spot.
(08:39:29 PM) Spot: EWWWWWWWWWWWWW
(08:39:41 PM) Spot: I have not been licked by a GM.
(08:39:43 PM) Spot: Just saying.
(08:40:20 PM) Cagliostro: Meiglan was going to talk to the rebellion
(08:40:32 PM) Cagliostro: and Cagliostro was looking for a magical way of making vampires sleep
(08:41:30 PM) dkap: Indeed. For a long, long time. And not let them know they were asleep for it, even after they wake up ...
(08:41:35 PM) Cagliostro: conjuring daylight is a possibility.
(08:41:48 PM) Cagliostro: put them in a light-tight box inside a daylight bubble...
(08:41:52 PM) Cagliostro: does that seem plausible?
(08:43:08 PM) dkap: Or simply put them in a light-tight box, outside the day-cycle, either above it, or outside. Of course, either way, there might be discovery, mystery seekers love that type of stuff. Laura Crofts/Indiana Joneses of the world always upsetting the apple-cart.
(08:43:37 PM) Mistress_Janice: And getting et for it.
(08:44:00 PM) Cagliostro: right, outside the local world seems fraught with problems.
(08:44:06 PM) Cagliostro: they could move, they could be discovered...
(08:44:18 PM) Cagliostro: there could be unexpected interactions with the outside world's rules...
(08:44:27 PM) Cagliostro: the aliens could get involved.. the tower-dwellers could meddle...
(08:46:16 PM) Delna: Does Serenity count as aliens? Because if so they are already involved I suppose.
(08:46:29 PM) Mistress_Janice: We's all aliens t'sumbuddy.
(08:47:16 PM) Cagliostro: well, the aliens are actually locals.
(08:47:23 PM) Spot: I ain't an alien.
(08:47:27 PM) Cagliostro: Sorry, Darkover knowledge leaking in.
(08:47:35 PM) Spot: I'm a mystical creature
(08:47:35 PM) Cagliostro: Cagliostro would say the redheads.
(08:47:51 PM) Cagliostro: There are psionic redheads that are intermingled with the other Darkoverans.
(08:48:00 PM) dkap: Indeed.
(08:48:04 PM) Cagliostro: And some of them are interfering meddlers, as are some of the tower dwellers.
(08:48:10 PM) dkap: Very much so.
(08:48:29 PM) ***Mistress_Janice opines, "Nothing wrong with being an interfering meddler."
(08:48:36 PM) dkap: Although, mostly, they seem to have stayed out of your playground. Except, well ... isn't that what started this whole trip of discovery?
(08:49:33 PM) Cagliostro: I don't even remember what started that at this point. ;)
(08:50:02 PM) dkap: The lines going to the cut up vamps (and woofs) keeping them alive?
(08:50:48 PM) Cagliostro: oh, true
(08:50:54 PM) Cagliostro: I rank that as a middle thing ;)
(08:51:39 PM) Cagliostro: so, is anyone willing to volunteer for my "how to sleep a vampire" tests?
(08:51:48 PM) Cagliostro: Meiglan and Delna don't qualify because of earlier experimentation.
(08:52:03 PM) Spot: i can't, I'm not a leech
(08:52:28 PM) Delna: Hmm, we would need someone outside of our group for this then I think
(08:52:31 PM) Mistress_Janice: I volunteer. Oh, wait...
(08:53:46 PM) Delna: This could be tricky... I wonder if any of Meiglan's compatriot Nos would be opposed
(08:54:22 PM) Delna: I could ask one of my advisors to do it, but being Ventrue I'm afraid they'll be likely to get upity about it
(08:54:54 PM) Delna: And worry about side effects and things going wrong or something
(08:55:22 PM) Cagliostro: "Indeed. I would be willing to offer a reasonable amount of compensation. But the risk is low, and I don't want things to get out of hand compensation-wise."
(08:57:00 PM) dkap: Nos might be a better choice, they are often used to being felt "experimental" anyway...
(08:58:39 PM) ***Cagliostro is open. Can Meiglan find a willing Nos?
(08:59:16 PM) dkap: Yes.
(09:02:09 PM) Cagliostro: excellent.
(09:02:23 PM) Cagliostro: we'll probably experiment somewhat outside the castle
(09:02:32 PM) Cagliostro: but not far enough away that the rebellion would kick in
(09:03:08 PM) Cagliostro: basic idea is - light-tight box with daylight conjured inside it, and another light-tight sphere on the outside
(09:03:12 PM) Cagliostro: russian nesting spheres
(09:04:38 PM) dkap: Hrm ... that sounds backward to me. Say it again?
(09:04:55 PM) dkap: The light in the innermost, and the light-tight in the outermost?
(09:06:06 PM) Cagliostro: three spheres
(09:06:09 PM) Cagliostro: no light in the innermost
(09:06:10 PM) Cagliostro: light
(09:06:18 PM) Cagliostro: then a sphere to keep the light from leaking out
(09:07:49 PM) dkap: Ah ... got it.
(09:07:56 PM) dkap: And inside the innermost, is the volunteer?
(09:08:01 PM) Cagliostro: so sphere sphere sphere light as the order of creation
(09:08:02 PM) Cagliostro: si
(09:08:10 PM) Cagliostro: and I will back him up first
(09:08:14 PM) dkap: Or the gate to let the volunteer in, or something like?
(09:08:14 PM) Cagliostro: before creating light
(09:08:27 PM) Cagliostro: no gate for now
(09:09:08 PM) Cagliostro: I'll create the test harness around the volunteer
(09:12:29 PM) dkap: So, how will you know if the test succeeds or fails?
(09:14:03 PM) Spot: If they wake up and I have to eat them?
(09:16:25 PM) dkap: Schrodiger's problem?
(09:16:32 PM) dkap: For the observation might allow light.
(09:16:41 PM) dkap: Maybe you need the observer in the box with the test-subject.
(09:16:42 PM) Mistress_Janice: The Nos is already dead, though...
(09:17:45 PM) Cagliostro: I can scry, can't I?
(09:17:48 PM) dkap: Asleep/awake ...
(09:18:00 PM) dkap: It might alter the state in there ...
(09:18:05 PM) dkap: It's uncertain.
(09:18:09 PM) Cagliostro: that would be good to know, though.
(09:18:26 PM) Cagliostro: a containment mechanism that fails the first time there's a scry is not, in fact, a containment mechanism
(09:18:29 PM) dkap: (And that reminds me, are you going to make the outside black, with the exception of a white circle with an infinity sign on it?)
(09:18:50 PM) ***Mistress_Janice gets an enormous pool cue ready.
(09:19:00 PM) dkap: But you don't even have a way of knowing if it will succeed without the scry.
(09:19:14 PM) Spot: (Auricle gets a pool ready and looks confused)
(09:20:02 PM) Cagliostro: (... no?)
(09:20:10 PM) Cagliostro: hm.
(09:20:27 PM) Cagliostro: I'll give the nos a clock that glows in the dark
(09:20:35 PM) Cagliostro: so that he'll notice missing time
(09:20:46 PM) Cagliostro: and a pen and paper, so he can write down when those are
(09:22:15 PM) Cagliostro: sound reasonable?
(09:23:38 PM) dkap: It could work, depending on how reliable the Nos is.
(09:25:25 PM) Cagliostro: I'm willing to presume reliability for now.
(09:26:39 PM) dkap: Nos, clock, notebook (does the pen/paper glow as well? What type of glow?) in the light-tight sphere.
(09:26:49 PM) dkap: How light-tight is it? Complete?
(09:27:03 PM) Cagliostro: complete
(09:27:24 PM) Cagliostro: think 70's digital clock
(09:27:28 PM) Cagliostro: running off a battery
(09:27:32 PM) dkap: When you put the Nos in, he complains loudly that the clock went out.
(09:27:42 PM) ***Cagliostro hm.s
(09:28:01 PM) Cagliostro: would a radio work?
(09:28:46 PM) Cagliostro: Actually, I can make it work with a cable
(09:28:50 PM) Cagliostro: if I need to
(09:28:58 PM) dkap: It should. Unless the radio-waves count as part of the "light" spectrum.
(09:29:03 PM) Cagliostro: but I would prefer that the spheres be seamless
(09:29:08 PM) dkap: Cable would probably work better.
(09:29:08 PM) Cagliostro: let's say that they don't, at least initially
(09:29:18 PM) Cagliostro: that's an alternative to consider later.
(09:30:58 PM) Cagliostro: so, with the radio: do we have communication with the nos?
(09:31:19 PM) dkap: So, you are only blocking "some" light? Do you know what part of the light effects them?
(09:32:33 PM) Cagliostro: I don't
(09:32:43 PM) Cagliostro: I'm starting with visual+infrared+ultraviolet+100%
(09:32:53 PM) Cagliostro: and using radio waves fairly far down the spectrum
(09:34:57 PM) Cagliostro: (by 100% I mean twice as high frequency wise)
(09:35:10 PM) Cagliostro: I can always make the spheres different later. This is science!
(09:35:22 PM) Cagliostro: so, I make the attempt using the radio-transparent spheres.
(09:36:39 PM) dkap: He torpors in there.
(09:36:59 PM) Cagliostro: woo.
(09:37:08 PM) Cagliostro: does scrying affect him?
(09:37:48 PM) dkap: Yes.
(09:38:21 PM) dkap: He starts to smoke, but does not wake up.
(09:38:29 PM) Cagliostro: hm. smoke?
(09:38:42 PM) dkap: As in "burn up in the daylight" smoke.
(09:38:45 PM) Cagliostro: yeah.
(09:39:05 PM) Cagliostro: so this looks like a "burn up very quickly" sort of thing, not a gentle smoulder?
(09:39:41 PM) dkap: Well ... mid-range, I'd say. Not a lot of light is getting through the scry, but enough back-scatter to be able to see what you are scrying for.
(09:39:56 PM) Cagliostro: it's night-time, though, isn't it?
(09:40:47 PM) dkap: Where you are? Yes.
(09:41:03 PM) Cagliostro: huh.
(09:41:09 PM) Cagliostro: and the sphere is right in front of me, right?
(09:41:31 PM) dkap: It is. But so is the sphere of light.
(09:41:45 PM) Cagliostro: but the sphere of light is -inside- the outside light-tight sphere
(09:41:52 PM) Cagliostro: so that I don't incinerate wandering vampires
(09:42:10 PM) Cagliostro: me (sphere) light (sphere) vampire
(09:42:11 PM) dkap: Have you tested that bit, yet?
(09:42:22 PM) Cagliostro: well, not as such.
(09:42:31 PM) dkap: Perhaps you should ...
(09:42:35 PM) Cagliostro: I'm jsut trying to verify that what I think is happening is actually happening.
(09:42:39 PM) Cagliostro: okay, turn off the light
(09:42:58 PM) dkap: Burn stops, so does torpor.
(09:43:07 PM) dkap: Grumpy sets in.
(09:43:10 PM) Cagliostro: hm.
(09:43:12 PM) Cagliostro: indeed.
(09:43:17 PM) Cagliostro: so can I heal him?
(09:43:23 PM) Cagliostro: or is life magic the wrong thing to try on vampires?
(09:43:41 PM) dkap: Your second inclination is probably very correct.
(09:43:45 PM) Cagliostro: indeed.
(09:43:51 PM) Cagliostro: Give him a pony keg of blood.
(09:43:58 PM) Cagliostro: conjured, but reasonable mystic inertia.
(09:44:42 PM) dkap: Umm ... what's a "pony keg"?
(09:44:54 PM) dkap: My visual is ... disturbing at best.
(09:45:22 PM) dkap: Does the tap go in the pony's femoral?
(09:45:47 PM) Cagliostro: pony is a size of keg
(09:46:04 PM) dkap: Ahh ... so you aren't turning a pony into a keg. Good good.
(09:46:11 PM) dkap: (Wondering where the pump would go ...)
(09:46:17 PM) Cagliostro: 7 3/4 gallons of blood in a metal container with a tap and a glass.
(09:47:44 PM) Cagliostro: so, I'll consult with janice, delna, and spot why the light-blocking would be flawed like that.
(09:47:51 PM) dkap: Right. That will give him a lot of healing.
(09:48:58 PM) dkap: Spot? Delna? Mistress_Janice? Any thoughts?
(09:49:19 PM) Cagliostro: because light was blocked in, not out.
(09:50:00 PM) ***Spot looks perplexed.
(09:50:19 PM) ***Mistress_Janice has no idea. "I thought there were three spheres, for some reason. You need him to sleep, but not burn..." She's clearly thinking about it.
(09:50:27 PM) Delna: "I am afraid I do not know enough about magic to shed any...light on this question. But you said it worked before you scryed?"
(09:50:59 PM) Cagliostro: (yeah, I thought three too. I guess that was wrong.(
(09:51:21 PM) Delna: "perhaps the scrying punctured your spheres in some way?"
(09:51:56 PM) Cagliostro: "That could be true... that the scrying permitted a magical conduit of light in."
(09:52:17 PM) Cagliostro: Maybe I -do- need a three-sphere solution.
(09:52:31 PM) Mistress_Janice: "But from where? It's dark out here, and neither Delna nor Meiglan are showing any discomfort from these light levels..."
(09:52:59 PM) dkap: Delna and Meiglan should be immune.
(09:53:21 PM) dkap: Or have shown an immunity.
(09:54:22 PM) dkap: Perhaps you need an outside "control" subject, as well?
(09:54:56 PM) Cagliostro: also a possibility.
(09:55:24 PM) Cagliostro: we can test outside, first.
(09:55:29 PM) Spot: "Try adding some silver to one of your spheres. Some not to just block but reflect the light."
(09:55:53 PM) Cagliostro: "Hm."
(09:56:58 PM) Spot: "
(09:56:59 PM) dkap: (You're a mean one, Mister Spot ...)
(09:57:50 PM) Spot: "Silver, while not as harmful to a leech as to a garou, is still a mystical material and may have an additional benefit in terms of reflecting light, being related to Luna, who reflect."
(09:58:04 PM) Cagliostro: (Caglisotro has had bad experiences with magic and parallel mirrors in the past and will not start with that)
(09:59:12 PM) Cagliostro: gm: so can we find a second volunteer?
(09:59:44 PM) dkap: Of course. As simple as "Hey you, come over here ..."
(10:01:38 PM) Cagliostro: is that really a volunteer, though?
(10:03:16 PM) dkap: It is, if you give them an option, and explain what might be going on ...
(10:03:31 PM) Cagliostro: well, I don't want to explain itto them unless they're a loyalist
(10:03:50 PM) Cagliostro: and really, hopefully thenos is somewhere quiet till they heal
(10:03:58 PM) Delna: Indeed, that could fire off the revolution post haste
(10:04:36 PM) dkap: Indeed. it could.
(10:04:39 PM) Cagliostro: Indee.d Either "Cagliostro is experimenting with sunlight" or "Cagliostro is disappearing Nosferatu"
(10:04:49 PM) dkap: And you could recruit another Nos or Toreodor or the like.
(10:04:53 PM) Cagliostro: so deal with this at the political level first - get the Nos a nice safehouse in town
(10:05:02 PM) Cagliostro: and delegate the recruitment to perhaps Meiglan, to get another loyalist
(10:05:53 PM) dkap: Another pair of loyalists are delivered.
(10:05:57 PM) Cagliostro: okay.
(10:06:03 PM) Cagliostro: one gets to stay at a safe distance for now.
(10:06:11 PM) dkap: They didn't want to hang about, and wanted to be doing something, anything, else.
(10:06:26 PM) Cagliostro: We'll try to determine whether or not the light leaks out without scrying.
(10:06:47 PM) Cagliostro: so have one stand outside the outer sphere, and turn on the light between the spheres
(10:07:00 PM) dkap: As soon as she approaches the sphere from the outside, she torpors.
(10:08:14 PM) Cagliostro: "huh."
(10:08:23 PM) Cagliostro: gm: any smouldering?
(10:09:04 PM) ***Mistress_Janice tries to catch her before she faceplants. "That was... sudden."
(10:10:01 PM) dkap: Not yet.
(10:10:14 PM) dkap: Mistress_Janice can catch her.
(10:10:32 PM) ***Cagliostro waits for the smoulder.
(10:10:39 PM) Cagliostro: "There may be a simpler solution."
(10:11:54 PM) dkap: Apparently your "Light tight" spheres aren't ... especially.
(10:12:07 PM) Cagliostro: But they're more useful this way.
(10:12:10 PM) Cagliostro: If she doesn't smoulder.
(10:12:16 PM) Cagliostro: If she -does- smoulder, then there's a problem.
(10:12:27 PM) dkap: Not as to yet. But have you tried scrying?
(10:12:32 PM) Cagliostro: nope.
(10:12:44 PM) Cagliostro: but I can switch to a different solution
(10:13:09 PM) Cagliostro: I'll give a good five minutes and wait for any sign of burning or smouldering.
(10:13:12 PM) dkap: If you are not part of the solution ... you are part of the precipitate?
(10:13:22 PM) dkap: None yet.
(10:13:23 PM) Spot: "You could just make coffins, stick them in, and put crosses on top."
(10:13:32 PM) ***Spot sits back and looks amused.
(10:13:43 PM) Cagliostro: "If she doesn't burn, then we can go to a single sphere solution - a smaller sphere with the light inside, if it makes the vampires outside it sleep."
(10:14:18 PM) Cagliostro: "We might even be able to make the spheres small enough to carry around."
(10:14:35 PM) Cagliostro: gm: turn the light off, inside the sphere.
(10:15:27 PM) Mistress_Janice: "And then where do we put them, and how do we guard them? This only solves a part of the issue..."
(10:15:49 PM) dkap: She untorpors, and looks somewhat confused: "I must have stumbled. What do you want me to do to help?"
(10:15:49 PM) Cagliostro: "A large part, I would say."
(10:16:08 PM) ***Cagliostro brings over the other vampire, setting them up at different distances from Cagliostro.
(10:16:21 PM) Cagliostro: "I apologize; this might be annoying for you both. If someone could prepare to catch them...?"
(10:16:38 PM) Cagliostro: gm: 1) conjure a fist-sized sphere, the same as the larger ones. 2) conjure light inside the sphere
(10:16:56 PM) Cagliostro: 3) find out the radius of the effect
(10:17:18 PM) ***Mistress_Janice grumbles, "Or we could get them some chairs..."
(10:17:35 PM) dkap: Radius of the small sphere is 9 times it's diameter.
(10:17:57 PM) dkap: (From experimentation, it seems to be a constant.)
(10:17:59 PM) Cagliostro: gm: does the intensity of the light inside the sphere matter?
(10:18:46 PM) dkap: Not much, on a much bigger sphere, it might, but ... with approximately human sized, down to pea-sized it doesn't seem to.
(10:18:56 PM) dkap: There is a break-point, though.
(10:19:10 PM) dkap: Where there just isn't enough light, but more than that point, it doesn't matter.
(10:19:23 PM) ***Cagliostro hm.
(10:19:26 PM) dkap: Or doesn't seem to, until you get up to burning levels (and you feel the burn as well ...)
(10:19:34 PM) Cagliostro: yeah, no burn there.
(10:20:04 PM) ***Cagliostro conjures rings of the silver material
(10:20:08 PM) Cagliostro: with light inside
(10:20:36 PM) Cagliostro: do the rings make the whole vampire torpor if it gets near part of them?
(10:20:41 PM) dkap: Ahh ... this was without the silver.
(10:21:07 PM) dkap: Describe for me the rings?
(10:22:12 PM) Cagliostro: right, not silve.r the bubble material.
(10:22:28 PM) Cagliostro: a ring-shaped torus of the bubble material
(10:22:34 PM) Cagliostro: with light inside
(10:22:49 PM) dkap: If the minimum solution would be pendant sized not ring sized.
(10:23:41 PM) dkap: And too small, they don't torpor, since even on their head or breast, there is enough vamp not covered for it to compensate.
(10:24:28 PM) Cagliostro: okay
(10:24:34 PM) Cagliostro: a 70's style medallion it is
(10:25:59 PM) dkap: More of a sphere than a medallion, for there is something about it being round that makes a difference.
(10:28:36 PM) Cagliostro: all right, good to know.
(10:28:56 PM) Cagliostro: "Okay, we seem to have a good start for the solution of immobilizing vampires."
(10:29:20 PM) Cagliostro: "So, what is next, rebellion-wise? Separating the sheep from the goats?"
(10:30:15 PM) Spot: "Tasty."
(10:32:32 PM) Delna: Is Meiglan able to sort out those who would work with the humans over those who refuse to?
(10:33:23 PM) Cagliostro: "We can offer them the opportunity to move to a land outside of my control and influence."
(10:33:37 PM) Cagliostro: "And merely fail to mention that there will be an indefinite intermediate period of storage."
(10:34:18 PM) Spot: "If they don't like that, you can tell them the alternative is my pack can hunt them down one at a time and eat them."
(10:35:23 PM) Cagliostro: "I think you get more vampires with honey than with werewolves."
(10:35:24 PM) dkap: There are three groups that Meiglan has identified. Those that are more than willing to work with the current setup. those that are on the fence, and might be persuaded, either way, and those that are quite sure that they can go back to the lifestyle they were used to.
(10:35:32 PM) Delna: "I do not have a problem with these options for them. Frankly, I don't think they have much other choice if they refuse to abide by the rules of this world."
(10:35:46 PM) Spot: "I usually find blood brings out Vampires, not honey."
(10:37:47 PM) Delna: As to what Meiglan found, "I believe that we should pose the options to everyone concerned and let them decide. They should know the dangers that would be posed to them if they choose a different world, i.e. there is no way to tell whether or not there will be other beings that wish to hunt them down like our slashing spirit from earlier. This might be enough to sway some of the ones on the...
(10:37:49 PM) Delna: ...fence who just want to follow."
(10:39:44 PM) Delna: "It would be prudent of us to be certain we have a holding cell that will work completely before we pose this decision to them. I would rather not fry them if we can avoid it. If they choose to face the danger of another option on their own, then their demise can only be their own fault."
(10:40:27 PM) Cagliostro: "Reasonable."
(10:40:50 PM) Cagliostro: gm: Can I track down a subterranean location that I can use as a storage vault?
(10:41:00 PM) Delna: "And Spot, if they break with the agreements we have with the humans, they are certainly outside of the range of our truce and I will not stop you if you choose to hunt them."
(10:41:02 PM) Cagliostro: a salt mine, or other closed mine, somewhere that I can seal and monitor?
(10:41:20 PM) ***Spot nods seriously.
(10:42:18 PM) dkap: You know of several "vaults' including actual wine vaults, and (abandoned) money vaults ....
(10:43:47 PM) Cagliostro: money vault seems better, as long as they are large enough.
(10:44:00 PM) dkap: The are.
(10:44:18 PM) Cagliostro: Excellent.
(10:44:29 PM) Cagliostro: open a gate to one, and let Delna inspect it.
(10:45:37 PM) Delna: gm: Does it look like it will hold the vampires in terms of security and making sure they to not break out.
(10:45:47 PM) dkap: How about one that was buried in an earth-quake, half a century ago?
(10:45:56 PM) dkap: Indeed, it would.
(10:46:34 PM) Delna: Buried under an earthquake would be good, that way we know that no one will enter it during the time we are holding them there
(10:47:16 PM) dkap: Indeed.
(10:47:40 PM) Cagliostro: That sounds like a good plan.
(10:47:43 PM) Delna: If I do not see anything I think I or another vampire could break through, then it should be sufficient. To the Count, "Are we going to hold them here in a conscious state?"
(10:47:54 PM) Delna: "or an unconscious state?"
(10:48:47 PM) Cagliostro: "I was thinking transition them here conscious, then render them unconscious?"
(10:49:09 PM) Cagliostro: "I don't think it would work if we moved them through a gate and they started collapsing as they went through."
(10:50:09 PM) dkap: You might actually want to torpor them first ... it does allow for less of a chance of ... problems.
(10:50:17 PM) Delna: "I agree. That would work fine. Just wondering for the majority of their time in here, as vampires can sometimes be quite innovative if given time."
(10:51:06 PM) dkap: Indeed.
(10:51:28 PM) Cagliostro: "They would indeed be stored unconscious. Conscious, they might harm each other or themselves, which is contrary to our intent."
(10:51:40 PM) Cagliostro: gm: valid point about knocking them unconscious first. hm.
(10:52:17 PM) Cagliostro: "If all the vampires were rendered unconscious, and the ones who chose to left were interned, do you think the remaining vampires would feel sufficiently paranoid to restart our rebellion problem?"
(10:52:25 PM) Delna: Would the transition between worlds make the unconscious set up more dangerous though?
(10:53:28 PM) Cagliostro: "I don't think a gate from an area with a sleep-generator to another area with a sleep-generator would cause a problem."
(10:53:46 PM) Delna: "Some of the ones on the fence currently could very well swing the other way if they felt our methods or intents were questionable."
(10:54:25 PM) ***Cagliostro nods. "That is what I was thinking, and why I wanted to isolate the rebels before sleeping them."
(10:54:33 PM) Cagliostro: "There may still be suspicion."
(10:55:15 PM) Cagliostro: gm: one more test. Try to see if a scryproofed ornament also sleeps the vampire wearing it.
(10:55:38 PM) dkap: Scry-profed?
(10:55:49 PM) Cagliostro: I can ward against scrying, right?
(10:56:01 PM) Cagliostro: I want to keep someone else from scrying inside the light bubble and frying the vampires.
(10:56:13 PM) ***Mistress_Janice comments dryly, "Our methods and intents *are* questionable. We'll try not to let that get out too far."
(10:56:45 PM) dkap: You might be able to scry-proof the whole vault ...
(10:57:02 PM) Cagliostro: I don'tw ant to scry proof the vault - just the light-generating bubbles
(10:57:17 PM) ***Delna grimaces and nods to Mistress Janice
(10:58:08 PM) dkap: You could put a ward around each of them, yes, but what would you use for power, since I presume you don't want to concentrate on the ward for the rest of the time they are on ice ...
(10:58:44 PM) ***Mistress_Janice takes pity on Janice and says, "We are trying to arrive at a compromise that lets them all survive. Unfortunately, there tend to be problems trying to provide for apex predators."
(10:59:20 PM) Cagliostro: gm: if we're vaulting them, I'll just do one big generator in the center of the vault.
(10:59:28 PM) Cagliostro: with perhaps four backup generators.
(10:59:46 PM) Cagliostro: hm. power, eh?
(10:59:52 PM) Cagliostro: okay, that'll go on the list of problems to solve later.
(11:01:03 PM) dkap: Power for the anti-scry. The light generators are somewhat self-sustaining, the same way a sun is.
(11:01:56 PM) Cagliostro: yes, I gotcha. Added to my to-do list. The anti-scry gets ignored for now, except that I want to see if the anti-scry field that I need to concentrate on interferes with the sleep field.
(11:02:00 PM) Cagliostro: while I'm experimenting.
(11:02:54 PM) dkap: Indeed. Who's going to do the scry while you hold the anti-scry up?
(11:03:01 PM) Cagliostro: um.
(11:03:21 PM) Cagliostro: either Janice, or we'll skip that part.
(11:03:27 PM) ***Mistress_Janice can do so.
(11:04:52 PM) Cagliostro: so what happens with the scry/anti-scry?
(11:05:15 PM) ***Mistress_Janice wins!
(11:06:43 PM) dkap: It does take some power to maintain, especially against someone who has a lot of power to hand, but it doesn't effect the torpor, as long as you keep it out. Unfortunately if you don't keep it out, smoke happens.
(11:07:40 PM) Cagliostro: so, okay, question answered.
(11:07:56 PM) Cagliostro: So shall we hang, and next week have another group meeting with the vampires?
(11:08:10 PM) dkap: Is it that time already? *sigh*
(11:08:14 PM) Delna: Sounds like a solid plan to me
(11:08:14 PM) dkap: All for hanging?
(11:08:25 PM) ***Mistress_Janice notes, "The best way to prevent scrying is to never let on there's anything there in the first place." She looks to Delna. "Will anyone look for them, among their compatriots?"
(11:09:05 PM) Spot: hanging goog
(11:09:06 PM) Delna: I don't know that any of them have scrying. Is that something we can do?... Amanda forgets
(11:09:22 PM) dkap: Not really, no.
(11:10:11 PM) Delna: "I don't think they can..though it is really impossible to say with any certainty. It is not particularly likely though I suppose..."
(11:10:25 PM) Mistress_Janice: Some of the disciplines do include such things. There're also disciplines that allow summoning of distant but known kindred... and so on.
(11:10:43 PM) Mistress_Janice: Damned Tremere.
(11:11:03 PM) dkap: Yes, but it has to be for autistic reasons.
(11:11:06 PM) Cagliostro: "They can scry the other vampires, just not inside the light generation bubbles."
(11:11:10 PM) dkap: Artistic even.
(11:11:33 PM) Delna: Hmm, yeah, I thought there might have been a clan that could do something. Well, I suppose we don't have much way of knowing. If friends actually split up, then perhaps. Or if we have any skeptics that stick around.
(11:12:15 PM) Mistress_Janice: "I was just thinking, when the split occurs, some of them will wonder where the others went. Some of those will probably have the means to at least try to find out."
(11:12:46 PM) Cagliostro: "That would be fine, as long as they don't get them out or try to injure them. We'll put in some mundane security systems, including light detection alarms."
(11:13:43 PM) Delna: "So you don't think they'll be able to scry on them and find them?"
(11:14:12 PM) Mistress_Janice: "...and thus set them afire?"
(11:14:14 PM) Cagliostro: "They might. But finding them is not the same as getting to them. Nor the same as scrying inside the bubbles, which is what causes the burning."
(11:15:03 PM) Delna: (must go to sleep now, but hopefully we can sort it all out at the next game)
(11:15:06 PM) Cagliostro: "The initial problem we had was that the light was in a bubble outside the vampire. So, scrying the vampire meant puncturing the bubble with the light."
(11:15:21 PM) Cagliostro: "That flaw has been resolved, with thanks to our experimental subjects."
(11:16:10 PM) Delna: "Ok."
(11:16:42 PM) dkap: So ... we hang here, activity imminent ...
(11:16:50 PM) Mistress_Janice: Sounds good to me.
(11:18:01 PM) Delna: Dkap, I need to make it known that it is nearing the time where I will disappear into the theatre for a while again, this time likely for longer
(11:18:24 PM) Delna: After Thanksgiving it will be rare that I do not have rehearsal during our game times :(
(11:18:31 PM) Cagliostro: congrats and break whatever is appropriate; you'll be missed
(11:19:02 PM) Delna: Thanks = ) I will break many actor legs when appropriate =P
(11:19:17 PM) dkap: Excellent!
(11:19:36 PM) Cagliostro: that sounds like something that needs doing. ;)
(11:19:41 PM) Delna: The gig will last until May 15, though things start to slow down after mid-january
(11:19:48 PM) dkap: I'd offer to lend you my dead-fall hammer ... but I'm sure you can make due.
(11:19:54 PM) Delna: If I end up with time to pop in to see what is happening in game world I will
(11:20:02 PM) Delna: I'm sure
(11:20:29 PM) dkap: Indeed. We might just jump forward for the interval, then.
(11:21:08 PM) Delna: figured as much. That would work fine
(11:21:17 PM) Spot: cool delna
(11:21:35 PM) Spot: I'm off to bed, night!
(11:23:18 PM) Spot left the room (quit: Read error: EOF from client).
(11:25:43 PM) dkap: I'm going to make some food. so I'm going to call it a night as well.
(11:26:15 PM) Delna: night!
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